Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse using ActivityPub which will link to Mastodon, Peertube, Diaspora and many other social networks

Nextcloud (hosted at your company or privately by yourself) helps you stay in control over your data and communication. Social networks are the tool people use to stay up to date with what others are doing, be it in a private or business setting. But most social networks are centralized platforms under control of a single entity. Nextcloud Social provides a decentralized, federated solution that lets users remain in control while sharing status updates with and subscribing to feeds of others across Nextcloud servers.

For business users, this provides the first steps towards internal enterprise social networking, tightly connected with the productivity capabilities teams already use. It empowers employees to collaborate and share tips and ideas about how to improve the workplace.

For private users, by using the popular ActivityPub standard, Nextcloud users can subscribe to and share status updates with users in the so-called ‘fediverse’, an interconnected and decentralized network of independently operated servers! This allows federation of Nextcloud servers with the popular decentralized Mastodon network, where tens of millions of users already ‘tooth’ with one another, potentially growing the fediverse by an order of magnitude. According to wikipedia, Peertube and soon Diaspora are part of this same network, as are almost a dozen more communities. As every one of the hundreds of thousands of Nextcloud servers turns into a potential hub in the fediverse, this has very exciting possibilities for Nextcloud users to communicate with others!

This is a really important step to expanding the decentralised social networking fediverse! I see many smaller 'hubs' being hosted with local rules and conversations but enabled to connect to many others. You can choose where your 'home' is and interconnect with your friends anywhere else.

I'll certainly be trying this out on my Nextcloud hosting.

See https://nextcloud.com/blog/nextcloud-introduces-social-features-joins-the-fediverse/

#nextcloud #fediverse #mastodon #diaspora #peertube

alysonsee (Hz) wrote the following post Sun, 25 Nov 2018 00:11:04 +0100

The Mystery of the Missing & Late Cross-Platform Posts
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Fellow Hubzillans, I apologize in advance for combining so many questions into one post. I'm super confused and frustrated but I don't understand cross-platform #federation well enough to know what to be frustrated with or how to tease these issues apart. Yesterday, I wanted to test #hubzilla notifications of "mentions" from multiple platforms. So, I created posts mentioning this Hubzilla account from my #diaspora, #mastodon, #friendica, and #osada accounts. In case it matters, note that my Hubzilla account has a two-way connection with each of these other accounts. Skip to the bottom for my questions.

Results of posting and mentioning from different platforms:

Diaspora: The post from @alysonsee (D*) showed up in my Hubzilla feed quickly, as did a notification of the mention. The comment I made on it from my Friendica account ( @alysonsee (Fca) ) also appeared in my Hubzilla feed and I got a notification of the mention the Fca account made of the Hz account. That's good news. What's weird is that my comment from Fca showed up only once from the perspective of D\* account and my Hz account but showed up TWICE for @boet 's Hubzilla account--delivered once via Friendica and once via ActivityPub. In fact, a number of Hubzilla users have reported seeing some Friendica comments twice in threads lately. (Original post is here: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/bb8dfac0d17e0136d1f50218b70db60d . Hub.disroot.org's copy is here: https://hub.disroot.org/display/0b6b25a8-975b-f84d-2905-a68965841276 )

Mastodon: It took nearly a day for my post from @alysonsee to show up in my Hubzilla feed. But it eventually did, along with the reply from my Osada account, which strangely came in over ActivityPub rather than Zot. However, I got no notifications for the mentions in the original Mastodon post or the Osada comment. has recently added a fix for "mention" notifications from ActivityPub events which will likely go out in Hubzilla v4. So, the only real frustration here is that it took so fracking long for the post to arrive on hub.disroot.org--especially in comparison to posts from my canine.cloud Mastodon account (which show up within a minute) and that account is only a one-way connection (from Hz to the canine.cloud account). (Original post is here: https://mastodon.social/@alysonsee/101121457630580628 )

Friendica: It has been over a day and my post from @alysonsee (Fca) still has not shown up in my Hubzilla feed. In fact, if I look from my Hubzilla account at the "Recent Activity" on that connection over the last couple of months, the content is very spotty. Some "likes" are there but not all. Some "comments" are there but not all. The last post that came through was 2 months ago, shortly after I connected the two accounts, which means that it has missed 5 other posts. My Hubzilla clone account (on hub.libranet.de) only has one of my Fca account's posts from the last 2 months, but a different one than the one my primary Hubzilla account has. Strangely, @boet received my Friendica test post in his Hubzilla feed straight away--in fact, faster than he gets my hub.disroot.org posts. Even my Mastodon and Osada accounts received the post and were able to comment on it. Also, I have received posts from other libranet.de (Friendica) users in my hub.disroot.org feed. So, why are the posts from my Fca account missing in my Hz feed?

Osada: My Osada post showed up in my Hubzilla feed pretty quickly but via ActivityPub. I mean, that's fine. I just would have expected Zot --> Zot would be the default. It also means that my Hz account didn't get a "mention" notification. Also, it didn't show up in my Hubzilla clone's feed. My Friendica account saw it and was able to comment on it. But that was about an hour ago and the comment still hasn't shown up in my Hubzilla feed (primary or clone).

One last tidbit: After a couple of hours of trying these different combos, hub.disroot.org went down for at least 12 hours. (I went to bed and so stopped trying until morning.)

So, to recap:
(1) Why do comments from Friendica show up twice in threads (delivered once via Friendica and once via ActivityPub)? (I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that these comments are coming from users on an Fca instance running the dev branch implementation of ActivityPub. Tagging @Michael Vogel because I think that's his area. )
(2) Why did my mastodon.social post take nearly a day to arrive on hub.disroot.org? Is that a hub.disroot.org problem or a mastodon.social problem?
(3) On a related note, why does it take about 24 hours for my hub.disroot.org Hubzilla posts to be delivered to @boet ? Is that a hub.disroot.org problem or a nexxt.social problem?
(4) Why can other Hubzilla users get my libranet.de Friendica posts and my hub.disroot.org Hz account can see others' libranet.de Fca posts but my hub.disroot.com Hz account can't see my libranet.de Fca posts?
(5) If my Hubzilla primary and clone accounts can receive one post from a Friendica connection, then why don't they get all of them?
(6) On a related note, if my Hubzilla clone can receive one post from a one-way Mastodon connection, then why doesn't it get all of them? Or, for that matter, why doesn't it get the posts from a two-way connection on a different Mastodon instance?
(7) Why does my Hubzilla account get posts from Osada via ActivityPub rather than Zot?
(8) How many of these behaviors could be related to my primary Hubzilla instance being at v3.6.1?

Moin zusammen,

hier mal wieder meine Liste mit evtl. interessanten Accounts für die neuen. Ich habe sie jetzt noch nicht überarbeitet, wie ich es mir eigentlich vorgenommen haben, aber ich denke, das passt noch .

Damit alle, die #neuhier sind auch mal etwas in ihrem Stream zu sehen bekommen, ist hier mal eine Übersicht über "offizielle" Präsenzen von Institutionen, Bloggern usw. im #fediverse. Das soll jetzt mal keine Liste mit gespiegelten Newsfeeds sein, sondern wirklich aktive Konten.

Die Liste ist hoffentlich nicht vollständig und kann gerne in den Kommentaren erweitert werden. Alle, die hier in der Liste auftauchen, sind auch mehr oder weniger aktiv. Ich werde diese Liste auch regelmäßig aktualisieren.

Es wäre natürlich toll, wenn möglichst viele diesen Konten folgen, damit die verantwortlichen Redakteure usw. sehen, das es Sinn macht, auch hier ein Konto zu haben und nicht nur eine Handvoll Nerds damit bespielt werden.

Zum Folgen dieser Accounts einfach dem Link folgen und auf Verbinden klicken, oder den Link kopiert, bei euch unter Kontakte geht, im Feld Neue Kontakte hinzufügen den Link einfügt und auf Verbinden klickt.

Nachrichten, (Netz)Politik usw.

• taz@pod.geraspora.de - Die Taz auf Diaspora
• forum_zwenkau@friendica.a-zwenkau - Offizielle Präsenz der Stadt Zwenkau auf Friendica
• schaufensterennigerloh@ennibook.de - Infoportal für die Stadt Ennigerloh auf Friendica
• attac_hl@libranet.de - Attac Lübeck auf Friendica
• fsfe@diasp.eu - Free Software Foundation Europe auf Diaspora
• fsf@framasphere.org - fsf.org - Free Software Foundation auf Diaspora
• framasoft@framasphere.org - framasoft.org A network dedicated to globally promoting "free" and particularly free software, auf Diaspora
• la_quadrature_du_net@framasphere.org - www.laquadrature.net is a non-profit association that defends the rights and freedom of citizens on the Internet, auf Diaspora
• fsfeberlin@libranet.de - Berliner Gruppe der Free Software Foundation Europe auf Friendica
• chaosupdates@diasp.org - Der Chaos Computer Club auf Diaspora

Kultur und Unterhaltung

• ey_lou_flynn@pod.geraspora.de - Die is lieb Comics auf Diaspora
• titel@pod.geraspora.de - Das TITEL kulturmagazin auf Diaspora
• einsnull@pod.thing.org - interiszipliärer miniblog & newsfeed auf Diaspora

Kommerzielles usw.

• monomeer@pod.geraspora.de - Monomeer - Alles ohne Plastik - Ein Plastikfreies Geschäft auf Diaspora
• fairtragen@framasphere.org - fairtragen organic fair trade fashion - Ökologische Mode aus Bremen, auf Diaspora
• glasbohne@joindiaspora.com - Glas & Bohne ist ein Optiker mit integriertem Café auf Diaspora
• seitanismus@diaspora.town - Veganer Aufschnitt. Handgemacht in Flensburg. Lecker. Bio. Auf Diaspora
• fairmondo@diaspora.pingupod.de - Fairmondo ist ein Online-Marktplatz - Der halboffizielle Account auf Diaspora
• stahlratte@pod.geraspora.de - Segelschiff Stahlratte das in der Karibik unterwegs ist - auf Diaspora
• superdoor@f.praschnig.com - Supervision und Coaching auf Diaspora

Politisches

• europablog@libranet.de - Der Europablog (https://europa.blog/) auf Friendica
• piratenpartei@joindiaspora.com - Offizieller Account der Piratenpartei Deutschland auf Diaspora
• hopidd@despora.de - Hochschul-Piraten Dresden auf Diaspora
• die_partei_kv_warendorf@friendica.3ischn.de - Kreisverband Warendorf Der Partei auf Friendica

Diverses

• boniwi@diasp.org - Katholische Kirchengemeinde St. Bonifatius Wiesbaden auf Diaspora
• refa_md@diaspora.pingupod.de - REFA Landesverband Sachsen-Anhalt e.V auf Diaspora

Critical Mass

• criticalmasskiel@squeet.me - Critical Mass Kiel auf Friendica
• critical_mass_dresden@pod.geraspora.de - Critical Mass Dresden auf Diaspora

Mastodon Accounts
Den Accounts auf Mastodon können die Nutzer auf Diaspora leider nicht folgen, das geht nur von Friendica aus.

• Digitalcourage@chaos.social - Digitalcourage e.V.
• netzpolitik_feed@chaos.social - Netzpolitik.org
• Framasoft@framapiaf.org/ - Framasoft.org
• criticalmasskiel@mastodon.cloud - Critical Mass Kiel auf
• attac_hl@mastodon.social - Attac Lübeck
• scalzi@mastodon.social - Der Science Fiction Autor John Scalzi
• fdroidorg@mastodon.technology - F-Droid
• kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de - Der Kuketz Blog
• LaQuadrature@mamot.fr - Der La Quadrature du Net
• yunohost@mastodon.social - yunohost.org

Draft
Die folgenden habe ich noch nicht alle durchgeschaut, sehen aber alle interessant aus.

• Ind.ie: indie@mastodon.social
• Liberapay: Liberapay@mstdn.io
• Krita: krita@mastodon.art
• Inkscape: inkscape@mastodon.art
• GIMP: GIMP@mastodon.at
• David Revoy: davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
• Tutanota: Tutanota@mastodon.social
• KDE: kde@mastodon.technology
• Matrix: matrix@mastodon.matrix.org
• Doorbraak: doorbraak@todon.nl
• Association R.A.P: RAPasso@framapiaf.org
• Bijstandsbond: bijstandsbond@todon.nl
• UBPorts: UBportsmastodon.rocks
• Dallas Hackers: dallas_hackers@infosec.exchange
• Fairphone: Fairphone@social.weho.st
• Purism: Purism@mastodon.social

GNU Social

• FSF: https://status.fsf.org/fsf
• CCC: https://quitter.se/ccc
• FSFE: https://quitter.no/fsfe
• the Vikings: https://social.vikings.net/vikings

Inoffizielle Accounts
Bei den "inoffiziellen" Accounts handelt es sich meist um gespiegelte Feeds, d.h. interaktion findet da nicht statt, aber sie sind ganz interessant, damit der eigene Stream anfangs nicht so leer ist. Zu finden sind diese infoffiziellen Accounts im Friendica Directory:

• https://dir.friendica.social/search?query=inoffiziell

Thanks to
@𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭, @Guido Arnold, @Markus, @resu, @Perig Gouanvic, @Hochschul-Piraten Dresden

Wenn Ihr noch weitere solcher Accounts kennt. könnt Ihr den Beitrag gerne kommentieren.

Viel Spaß im Fediverse

#newhere #neuhier #diaspora #friendica #mastodon #gnusocial #fediverse

\#testing and

\* note: I haven't taken into consideration any possible delay setting in each instance/node/pod/hub. It could be that was the reason for the X's below. But I'm sharing it in case someone wants to do their own test.

\* note: this was just a quick random test that popped into mind, nothing serious at the moment. For now, I'm filing this for later use/report. (I'll probably repeat this a couple of times before I do anything about it.)

I. #WriteAs by the team - test source was https://write.as/yuki/
✔️ Showed up in aleph.land (Mastodon)
✔️ Showed up in niu.moe (Mastodon)
🗶 Did not show in iscute.moe (Pleroma)
🗶 Did not show in luna.town (Pleroma)
🗶 Did not show in osada.usezot.net (Osada)
🗶 Did not show in gme.one (Hubzilla)

II. RSS to #ActivityPub Converter by @Darius Kazemi - test source was https://bots.tinysubversions.com/u/games
✔️ Showed up in aleph.land (Mastodon)
🗶 Did not show in niu.moe (Mastodon)
🗶 Did not show in iscute.moe (Pleroma)
🗶 Did not show in luna.town (Pleroma)
🗶 Did not show in osada.usezot.net (Osada)
🗶 Did not show in gme.one (Hubzilla)

#Mastodon #Pleroma #Osada #Hubzilla

More recently, an article about Mastodon’s wider ecosystem — termed “the fediverse” — made it to the front page of Hacker News: “What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?”, by Jeremy Dormitzer.

The correct is: #ActivityPub 's ecosystem/network.

ActivityPub is not #Mastodon. It wasn't even the first in the fediverse nor was it chosen as a flagship implementation of AP (I have yet to see any claiming such). Speaking of the #fediverse, it is not AP nor Mastodon. The fediverse is beyond ActivityPub, it includes #Zot (#Hubzilla, #Osada, #Zap), #diaspora (diaspora, #Socialhome, Hubzilla), #OStatus (#GNUsocial, #Friendica, Hubzilla, etc.), #dfrn (Friendica), at least according tohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse

The rest of the article is good. I am not anti-Mastodon, I just want to correct the inaccurate notion that ActivityPub and Mastodon are interchangeable, as is commonly written; and the incorrect idea that Mastodon is the center of it all, which we also commonly see. Give ActivityPub what it is due. ActivityPub is the center of ActivityPub.

Why Mastodon is defying the “critical mass” – Peter O'Shaughnessy – Medium

It’s a mistake to judge The Fediverse as though it’s a Valley startup

The Mystery of the Missing & Late Cross-Platform Posts

!{support@zotadel.net}
!{disroot@hub.disroot.org}

Fellow Hubzillans, I apologize in advance for combining so many questions into one post. I'm super confused and frustrated but I don't understand cross-platform #federation well enough to know what to be frustrated with or how to tease these issues apart. Yesterday, I wanted to test #hubzilla notifications of "mentions" from multiple platforms. So, I created posts mentioning this Hubzilla account from my #diaspora, #mastodon, #friendica, and #osada accounts. In case it matters, note that my Hubzilla account has a two-way connection with each of these other accounts. Skip to the bottom for my questions.

Results of posting and mentioning from different platforms:

Diaspora: The post from @Alyson showed up in my Hubzilla feed quickly, as did a notification of the mention. The comment I made on it from my Friendica account ( @alysonsee (Fca) ) also appeared in my Hubzilla feed and I got a notification of the mention the Fca account made of the Hz account. That's good news. What's weird is that my comment from Fca showed up only once from the perspective of D* account and my Hz account but showed up TWICE for @boet 's Hubzilla account--delivered once via Friendica and once via ActivityPub. In fact, a number of Hubzilla users have reported seeing some Friendica comments twice in threads lately. (Original post is here: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/bb8dfac0d17e0136d1f50218b70db60d . Hub.disroot.org's copy is here: https://hub.disroot.org/display/0b6b25a8-975b-f84d-2905-a68965841276 )

Mastodon: It took nearly a day for my post from @alysonsee to show up in my Hubzilla feed. But it eventually did, along with the reply from my Osada account, which strangely came in over ActivityPub rather than Zot. However, I got no notifications for the mentions in the original Mastodon post or the Osada comment. has recently added a fix for "mention" notifications from ActivityPub events which will likely go out in Hubzilla v4. So, the only real frustration here is that it took so fracking long for the post to arrive on hub.disroot.org--especially in comparison to posts from my canine.cloud Mastodon account (which show up within a minute) and that account is only a one-way connection (from Hz to the canine.cloud account). (Original post is here: https://mastodon.social/@alysonsee/101121457630580628 )

Friendica: It has been over a day and my post from @alysonsee (Fca) still has not shown up in my Hubzilla feed. In fact, if I look from my Hubzilla account at the "Recent Activity" on that connection over the last couple of months, the content is very spotty. Some "likes" are there but not all. Some "comments" are there but not all. The last post that came through was 2 months ago, shortly after I connected the two accounts, which means that it has missed 5 other posts. My Hubzilla clone account (on hub.libranet.de) only has one of my Fca account's posts from the last 2 months, but a different one than the one my primary Hubzilla account has. Strangely, @boet received my Friendica test post in his Hubzilla feed straight away--in fact, faster than he gets my hub.disroot.org posts. Even my Mastodon and Osada accounts received the post and were able to comment on it. Also, I have received posts from other libranet.de (Friendica) users in my hub.disroot.org feed. So, why are the posts from my Fca account missing in my Hz feed?

Osada: My Osada post showed up in my Hubzilla feed pretty quickly but via ActivityPub. I mean, that's fine. I just would have expected Zot --> Zot would be the default. It also means that my Hz account didn't get a "mention" notification. Also, it didn't show up in my Hubzilla clone's feed. My Friendica account saw it and was able to comment on it. But that was about an hour ago and the comment still hasn't shown up in my Hubzilla feed (primary or clone).

One last tidbit: After a couple of hours of trying these different combos, hub.disroot.org went down for at least 12 hours. (I went to bed and so stopped trying until morning.)

So, to recap:
(1) Why do comments from Friendica show up twice in threads (delivered once via Friendica and once via ActivityPub)? (I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that these comments are coming from users on an Fca instance running the dev branch implementation of ActivityPub. Tagging @Michael Vogel because I think that's his area. )
(2) Why did my mastodon.social post take nearly a day to arrive on hub.disroot.org? Is that a hub.disroot.org problem or a mastodon.social problem?
(3) On a related note, why does it take about 24 hours for my hub.disroot.org Hubzilla posts to be delivered to @boet ? Is that a hub.disroot.org problem or a nexxt.social problem?
(4) Why can other Hubzilla users get my libranet.de Friendica posts and my hub.disroot.org Hz account can see others' libranet.de Fca posts but my hub.disroot.com Hz account can't see > my

libranet.de Fca posts?
(5) If my Hubzilla primary and clone accounts can receive one post from a Friendica connection, then why don't they get all of them?
(6) On a related note, if my Hubzilla clone can receive one post from a one-way Mastodon connection, then why doesn't it get all of them? Or, for that matter, why doesn't it get the posts from a two-way connection on a different Mastodon instance?
(7) Why does my Hubzilla account get posts from Osada via ActivityPub rather than Zot?
(8) How many of these behaviors could be related to my primary Hubzilla instance being at v3.6.1?

QQ、微信这些不提，在天朝躲不掉。

最开始是用 blog，但 blog 基本已经成为孤岛了。

后来有了 facebook 和 twitter。fb 强调实名，但我没啥好友在用（最近还把我的账号停用了）。用了几年 twitter，现在它是我用来看信息的不错的源，但我早就和 Tonny 一样进入了观察者模式。它也无法成为树洞，因为无法控制单条信息的可见度。

G+ 在这点做得很好，又可以看见有趣的东西，又能很方便地控制单条消息的可见度。可惜要倒了。

找了几个落脚处，都是分布式网络。Mastodon、Friendica 和 Hubzilla，各有所长。

Mastodon 最热闹，最有中文氛围。但我不喜欢类似 twitter 的那种讨论方式，虽然这是可以克服的。单条信息的可见度也不好控制。难以整理自己所发的消息。

Friendica 可以很好地支持 Mastodon 那边的“纯回复”信息，不会显示在时间轴；有很直观的好友分组，可以据此很方便地针对单条信息设置可见度（类似 G+ 的圈子）；有我喜欢的类似 G+ 的讨论方式。但它也难以整理自己所发的消息，也没有啥中文氛围（更鬼了）。

Hubzilla 让我又爱又恨。它可以很好地用分类和 tag 整理自己所发的消息，至于站点克隆、Nomandic Identity 这种高大上的功能就不提了。但是！在某些方面的易用性很糟糕。首先是对Mastodon 那边的“纯回复”信息也是会显示在时间轴；其次，它内置了一个 Friends 权限组，但我没找到如何修改里面的成员的方法，我也不知道在哪儿修改。这导致我想要设置单条信息的可见度时，没办法清楚地按好友分组进行设置。中文氛围反正都是鬼。

废话了这么多，这三家我到底选择哪里？是什么让我留在一个社交网络？

首先，我想要一个发文的地方，它应该能较好地管理自己的信息，它也应该能方便地控制单条信息的可见度。其实这反映了另一点潜在需求：希望自己的一些信息可以有人点个赞或者评论、转发啥的那种自恋（或者是别的什么词？），同时一些信息又希望能有一些私密性。

（想要管理方便？为啥不用 blog？然而有很多简短的东西根本不想发 blog……它也没什么可见性控制，只能全站隐藏。）

其次，这个地方也应该提供有趣的信息，我可以去点赞、评论啥的。如果是 G+ 那种讨论方式就更好了。

可惜以上三个没有一个能完全符合的。G+ 符合，然而 #sbgoogle

目前的想法是用 Friendica ，毕竟除了文章管理和氛围以外啥都好。文章管理那就只好用定制 tag 代替，虽然还是没有 Hubzilla 方便。长毛象我也会去，看看有啥有趣的人和讨论，顺便当个马甲。至于 Hubzilla，等下次面临选择时再看看它有没有解决我碰到的问题吧。因为我的强迫症，这个“下次”可能根本不用等多久，囧。

#apblog
#Mastodon
#Friendica
#Hubzilla